@ciaranr It is true. And until someone just says it, then this will go on and on and on.
You know, I like reading some of what Scoble guys says.
Does that mean I want to get messages to my phone, or messages to my IM client about everything he does?
No, because, a large percentage is just useless.
It is about this web2.0h social elite nonsense. I don't care. Most people don't care.
I would have thunked Damien was much smater than that. He is partially right, but as hyprocrisy says, it doesn't really matter.
Soon enough Twitter, Facebook, and ultimately Jaiku will be dead, and some other God forsaken thing will take their place.
I like Jaiku, I can follow it. I probably know more peole on Twitter but I don't want to have to listen to someone across a noisy bar just to have a conversation (maybe a ropey analogy).
The one thing that Jaiku/Google is doing wrong is the invites. Unless its opened up soon, its down the crapper. Unless thats what Google actually wants, then its a pity.
Good luck to Twitter and all those people. Just make sure you have your earplugs.
Twitter is for the social inept. You cant carry on any kind of conversation there, and maybe its not designed for that. Thats fine, but to me its just too messy.
Whats funny is I see people complain that they get too much personal info from contacts on jaiku, then those same people go and set up friendfeed accounts.
Twitter love is irrational and 100% tied to flashy bling producing clients.
Like I said here things look like they are on the up, but @jyri really needs to get the site moved to the google cloud to enable the mass uptake, which no doubt he is pushing for.
Twitter is for the socially inept. No. Jaiku is for the socially inept.
"Twitter is for the socially inept. You cant carry on any kind of conversation there, and maybe its not designed for that. Thats fine, but to me its just too messy...Twitter love is irrational..."
I totally agree that twitter love is irrational. But irrational love is compelling love. The most compelling kind of love. Its the kind of love you want to experience in your life. Its the kind of love you should seek to cultivate in your life. If you are interested in getting into business, its the kind of love you should hope your offerings inspire. Ask people why they love twitter and they shrug and coyly say 'I dunno...' Which in its own way is charming.
Jaiku love on the other hand is 100% rational. And much less compelling for that. Ask a jaikuist why they love jaiku and they'll rationally assert that it has a rich set of features that make it possible to control the noise and better manage conversations and whereas you can't hear yourself think on twitter.
Its also worth noting that the one complaint people really have about geeks and nerds is their blindness to the fact that considered conversation is inappropriate to a light and fun atmosphere requried for a successful party and should be dropped when we all gather for the purpose of having fun.
The socially inept are those who are considered to be blind to or choose to ignore certain social cues. Those that shy away from messy social situations where they are required to improvise. Those that are uncomfortable in confusing social situations where it is easy and in fact socially necessary to lose the conversational thread.
The socially inept miss the point of Twitter. Twitter is not about considered opinion and considered conversation. Its main feature is that it runs interference against the social instinct to engage in deep and meaningful conversation.
This interference is a social lubricant. People play loud music at parties for precisely the same reason. They want to run interference against the human instinct to sit down and have considered conversation. You know. Considered conversation being the type of conversation that is not conducive to a party atmosphere. Some of the people who go to parties with loud music will naturally gravitate away from the action towards the kitchen. In some ways, Jaiku is the kitchen area at the microblogging party while twitter is the main party room.
Just so you Jaikuholes know, while I may love your shared expertise and sense of embattled community, I do not love you personally. But I would give you my dog if you insisted.
@nialllarkin I'd kinda disagree with you on what you say. Your comment is very long and it'll take me a bit to actually think about it, but....I disagree with you.
I would class myself as a geek (a nerd sounds so mean and insulting)...I am also very social (I went to more parties in college than debating meetings, and probably more parties than exams :))..
I think your point about the irrational love is right though, but thats not geek/nerd-only trait.
How many people LOVE to death Apple? Plenty who are in no way geeks, or even slightly tech-savvy. (I by the way use a Mac at home, and a PC in work)
I would say the flipside actually: as a geek, I choose the right tool for job. If I want a nice machine which will not (currently) get shafted by spyware/malware I'll go for a Mac, etc.....
Twitter isn't for the socially inept. Its for the social elite people who want to throw off a throwaway comment, and expect someone to follow it (hea look here I am streaming on Qik). Now if you are some unimportant user, no-one is going to watch your live streaming stuff...but if your someone "important" in a minute-fringe community, people will flock to you. Thats fine, if you like that kinda thing, enjoy!
Twitter for me, is not just a loud noisy party - at least at a party there are other senses being used. Noisy parties don't work in the textual world. Its too hard (maybe for the younger kids its not!)
@runningwithbulls I agree with your points. Its a matter of taste and inclination. Everyone gets something different from each tool. The binary argument. The idea that one is better than the other is simply missing the point. They are different.
@nialllarkin yes they are different, and the world is great with the difference, but what bugs me is when the whole thing hinges on "who", or "what" is there..
Half the time, I think the elite crowds (and their followers) don't even really care about it. Either you're in the gang or you're not..
Where is @sxoop when there is a Twitter/Jaiku bashing session being waged? No doubt necking Murphy's somewhere :P
I agree with what Damien originally had to say, and it wasn't Jaiku-bashing. If there was a Twitter vs Jaiku deathmatch, it was started on this thread right here. Boiling down to which is technically better, then yes it is Jaiku. But how can you argue the fact that the social network is where the people are? It's nothing to do with elitism, it's to do with the buzz. On Twitter there are lots of new people joining the conversation at all times. It's nothing to do with Scoble and Jason Calacanis and all that web 2.0 stuff - that does not come into the equation for me at all. It's all the Irish people and tech guys and the snippets of information, banter, funny one-liners, etc.
As it happens, I agree with a lot of what Niall says, about interference being a social lubricant and all that, those are kind of added bonuses that make Twitter different from Jaiku and better in some ways. I tried to get people to make the switch to Jaiku, but when Google stepped and made it invite only, it became a sinking ship.
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But @elitist, people make the network and the peeps are tweeting away on another channel, don't you know?
1 year, 10 months ago by topgold
Cos Twitter's UI is so much better?
1 year, 10 months ago by mneylon
Yawn. Yet another Twitter vs Jaiku deathmatch. Does anyone really care? Yet his point about the influential people is right.
Twitter has the annoying web2.Oh stuperstar people who seem to get people to fall on and follow every word they say. I'm not really interested...
Maybe its that Twitter is for the web 2.Oh social elite and Jaiku is for whoever else?
I have tried to follow conversations on Twitter and I can't.
Move along nothing to see here.
1 year, 10 months ago by runningwithbulls
"Twitter is for the web 2.Oh social elite" - So true!
I made my thoughts on it know here, same applies here too. I've even seen the Mac v PC reference picked up somewhere can't remember where though.
1 year, 10 months ago by CiaranR
Why not argue over something that matters? I mean... FFS...
1 year, 10 months ago by hypocrisy
@ciaranr It is true. And until someone just says it, then this will go on and on and on.
You know, I like reading some of what Scoble guys says.
Does that mean I want to get messages to my phone, or messages to my IM client about everything he does?
No, because, a large percentage is just useless.
It is about this web2.0h social elite nonsense. I don't care. Most people don't care.
I would have thunked Damien was much smater than that. He is partially right, but as hyprocrisy says, it doesn't really matter.
Soon enough Twitter, Facebook, and ultimately Jaiku will be dead, and some other God forsaken thing will take their place.
I like Jaiku, I can follow it. I probably know more peole on Twitter but I don't want to have to listen to someone across a noisy bar just to have a conversation (maybe a ropey analogy).
The one thing that Jaiku/Google is doing wrong is the invites. Unless its opened up soon, its down the crapper. Unless thats what Google actually wants, then its a pity.
Good luck to Twitter and all those people. Just make sure you have your earplugs.
1 year, 10 months ago by runningwithbulls
Twitter is for the social inept. You cant carry on any kind of conversation there, and maybe its not designed for that. Thats fine, but to me its just too messy.
Whats funny is I see people complain that they get too much personal info from contacts on jaiku, then those same people go and set up friendfeed accounts.
Twitter love is irrational and 100% tied to flashy bling producing clients.
Not that I have an opinion or anything.
1 year, 10 months ago by dantrevino
I really hope @jyri can get a resource commitment from Google because I imagine he is professionally disappointed by how Jaiku is parked.
1 year, 10 months ago by topgold
Like I said here things look like they are on the up, but @jyri really needs to get the site moved to the google cloud to enable the mass uptake, which no doubt he is pushing for.
1 year, 10 months ago by CiaranR
no offense to google, but it is a big company and big companies are prone to moving slowly... (very different from what jaiku used to be)
1 year, 10 months ago by silversurfer
@silversurfer very true I have seen that mentioned elsewhere today too in relation to Mozilla and Firefox still not passing the acid tests.
1 year, 10 months ago by CiaranR
Twitter is for the socially inept. No. Jaiku is for the socially inept.
"Twitter is for the socially inept. You cant carry on any kind of conversation there, and maybe its not designed for that. Thats fine, but to me its just too messy...Twitter love is irrational..."
I totally agree that twitter love is irrational. But irrational love is compelling love. The most compelling kind of love. Its the kind of love you want to experience in your life. Its the kind of love you should seek to cultivate in your life. If you are interested in getting into business, its the kind of love you should hope your offerings inspire. Ask people why they love twitter and they shrug and coyly say 'I dunno...' Which in its own way is charming.
Jaiku love on the other hand is 100% rational. And much less compelling for that. Ask a jaikuist why they love jaiku and they'll rationally assert that it has a rich set of features that make it possible to control the noise and better manage conversations and whereas you can't hear yourself think on twitter.
Its also worth noting that the one complaint people really have about geeks and nerds is their blindness to the fact that considered conversation is inappropriate to a light and fun atmosphere requried for a successful party and should be dropped when we all gather for the purpose of having fun.
The socially inept are those who are considered to be blind to or choose to ignore certain social cues. Those that shy away from messy social situations where they are required to improvise. Those that are uncomfortable in confusing social situations where it is easy and in fact socially necessary to lose the conversational thread.
The socially inept miss the point of Twitter. Twitter is not about considered opinion and considered conversation. Its main feature is that it runs interference against the social instinct to engage in deep and meaningful conversation.
This interference is a social lubricant. People play loud music at parties for precisely the same reason. They want to run interference against the human instinct to sit down and have considered conversation. You know. Considered conversation being the type of conversation that is not conducive to a party atmosphere. Some of the people who go to parties with loud music will naturally gravitate away from the action towards the kitchen. In some ways, Jaiku is the kitchen area at the microblogging party while twitter is the main party room.
1 year, 10 months ago by NiaLLLarkin
Just so you Jaikuholes know, while I may love your shared expertise and sense of embattled community, I do not love you personally. But I would give you my dog if you insisted.
1 year, 10 months ago by topgold
I'm with Loren Feldman on Twitter (and implicitly Jaiku too). "It's just fucking Twitter dude. Just type, read it, don't read it"
1 year, 10 months ago by conoro
@nialllarkin I'd kinda disagree with you on what you say. Your comment is very long and it'll take me a bit to actually think about it, but....I disagree with you.
I would class myself as a geek (a nerd sounds so mean and insulting)...I am also very social (I went to more parties in college than debating meetings, and probably more parties than exams :))..
I think your point about the irrational love is right though, but thats not geek/nerd-only trait.
How many people LOVE to death Apple? Plenty who are in no way geeks, or even slightly tech-savvy. (I by the way use a Mac at home, and a PC in work)
I would say the flipside actually: as a geek, I choose the right tool for job. If I want a nice machine which will not (currently) get shafted by spyware/malware I'll go for a Mac, etc.....
Twitter isn't for the socially inept. Its for the social elite people who want to throw off a throwaway comment, and expect someone to follow it (hea look here I am streaming on Qik). Now if you are some unimportant user, no-one is going to watch your live streaming stuff...but if your someone "important" in a minute-fringe community, people will flock to you. Thats fine, if you like that kinda thing, enjoy!
Twitter for me, is not just a loud noisy party - at least at a party there are other senses being used. Noisy parties don't work in the textual world. Its too hard (maybe for the younger kids its not!)
Dunno.....
/me dons the flamesuite!
1 year, 10 months ago by runningwithbulls
This of course is just a big ploy on @CiaranRs part to get eyeballs! :P
1 year, 10 months ago by runningwithbulls
@runningwithbulls I agree with your points. Its a matter of taste and inclination. Everyone gets something different from each tool. The binary argument. The idea that one is better than the other is simply missing the point. They are different.
1 year, 10 months ago by NiaLLLarkin
@nialllarkin yes they are different, and the world is great with the difference, but what bugs me is when the whole thing hinges on "who", or "what" is there..
Half the time, I think the elite crowds (and their followers) don't even really care about it. Either you're in the gang or you're not..
Where is @sxoop when there is a Twitter/Jaiku bashing session being waged? No doubt necking Murphy's somewhere :P
1 year, 10 months ago by runningwithbulls
I agree with what Damien originally had to say, and it wasn't Jaiku-bashing. If there was a Twitter vs Jaiku deathmatch, it was started on this thread right here. Boiling down to which is technically better, then yes it is Jaiku. But how can you argue the fact that the social network is where the people are? It's nothing to do with elitism, it's to do with the buzz. On Twitter there are lots of new people joining the conversation at all times. It's nothing to do with Scoble and Jason Calacanis and all that web 2.0 stuff - that does not come into the equation for me at all. It's all the Irish people and tech guys and the snippets of information, banter, funny one-liners, etc.
As it happens, I agree with a lot of what Niall says, about interference being a social lubricant and all that, those are kind of added bonuses that make Twitter different from Jaiku and better in some ways. I tried to get people to make the switch to Jaiku, but when Google stepped and made it invite only, it became a sinking ship.
1 year, 10 months ago by jgalvin